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Thursday, October 20, 2016

DC in the 80s interviewed by Ed Catto for Mike Gold's ComicMix


We are elated to announce that ComicMix - a comic book & pop culture website overseen by Mike Gold (yes, THAT Mike Gold) - has taken interest in our humble little 80s-centric webzine and decided to interview myself and executive editor Mark Belkin regarding the origins of this site and our favorite material from DC comics (circa 1980s).

ComicMix is kind of a BIG DEAL to us since it's regular roster of columnists include notable 80s greats such as John Ostrander, Dennis O'Neil, Mindy Newell and Mike Gold himself. Robert Greenberger has also been known to pitch in a review article or three.

Ed Catto, who is also the co-founder of the Bonfire Agency, conducted the interview. Not only is Ed a marketing strategist, he's no slouch when it comes to illustrating, either. Ed graciously allowed us to share two of his recent pieces:


  

Our interview is up at: http://www.comicmix.com/2016/10/17/ed-catto-talking-about-and-with-dc-in-the-80s/



Here's a few other Ed Catto articles/interviews (written for ComicMix) that you may enjoy:




Tuesday, June 14, 2016

The Hawkworld ongoing series: continuity issues (Hawkworld Annual #1)

[Warning: this article explores continuity issues in the 1990 Hawkworld ongoing series published by DC comics. Needless to say, there will be spoilers. If you're cool with that, keep reading. -J]


cover of the Shadow War of Hawkman #3 (1985). Property of DC comics. cover of Justice League of America #31 (1964). Property of DC comics.
cover of Hawkman #4 (1964). Property of DC comics. cover of the Atom and Hawkman #45 (1969). Property of DC comics.


As mentioned in our previous article, the re-telling of Hawkman and Hawkwoman's first arrival on earth (as told in the Hawkworld v1 ongoing series) completely wipes out the previously established history of the Silver Age Hawkman & Hawkwoman. According to Hawkworld, everything you see above did NOT happen. Every Silver Age story from the Julius Schwartz-era (1961) up until 1990, involving Hawkman, did NOT occur. Katar Hol and Shayera Thal have NEVER stepped foot on earth prior to 1990. They NEVER joined the Justice League of America in the 60s. Even their post-Crisis material (ex: The Shadow War of Hawkman, Hawkman v2) NEVER happened. Understandably, this left long-time Silver Age Hawkman fans irate as about thirty years of Hawkman continuity went down the drain.

Curiously, Tim Truman's 1989 Hawkworld prestige format mini-series, which preceded the Hawkworld ongoing series, did NOT hit the reset button on Katar Hol and Shayera Thol's continuity. Truman's mini-series is self-contained to Katar Hol's life on Thanagar and doesn't effect his adventures on earth. There isn't really much of a time-stamp on anything written in the mini - there are no mention of any other DCU events - and the story could've taken place at any time in DC history.

So where did the decision to reboot the Silver Age Hawkman and Hawkwoman come from?

In a 1999 interview with Michael Hutchison of Fanzing magazine, John Ostrander [writer for Hawkworld v1] answers this very question:

Michael Hutchison: "When the decision was made to introduce Hawkman into the modern era (Tim Truman revealed in a previous interview that you weren't the one responsible for that decision, but he felt strongly against it) instead of "back-dating" the changes from Tim Truman's "Hawkworld" mini-series, did you have any idea how many significant continuity gaps a minor league character like Hawkman was going to open up? Given that you then spent a lot of time trying to retroactively plug those gaps, if you had to do it over again, would you do anything differently?"
John Ostrander: "The decision was purely Mike Gold's. I argued against it at the time but Mike was adamant; he wanted the Hawkman series to start up right after the end of the Tim Truman miniseries. All of Tim's stories could've happened before Hawkman arrived on Earth and the series could've picked up with him already ON Earth. My choice was doing it Mike's way or not doing the book. I felt another writer wouldn't have worked as well or closely with what Tim had done so I decided to do the book. I did disagree and still disagree with the premise and the junking of continuity. That said, I'll stand by the stories. There was some first-rate stuff there. If I had it to do over again, I'd fight again to keep from wrecking continuity needlessly. Would I still write the series? I'd think a lot harder this time about it. I took some hits for it over a decision that wasn't mine."

Earlier in the same interview, Ostrander also states:

"My first obligation to the reader is a good story and sometimes that means breaking with past continuity. I don't HATE continuity; actually, I've been very good with it overall. Better than many other writers have been or are willing to be. I try to keep faith with past continuity without letting it tie my hands. Slavish devotion to continuity is like cultivating kudzu; it's going to strangle everything else you do. With SPECTRE, which continuity do I keep with? The Fleischer/Aparo one? The Moench/Whoever one? Keep in mind that they all got canceled. What I tried to do was use ELEMENTS of each while making a cohesive whole. With Firestorm, I kept to continuity but developed the storyline. With Hawkman -- well, that was an editorial decision that was out of my hands and a given before I came on the book. I later tried to reconcile the continuity as best I could. So I'm respectful of it and past fans but I don't worship it and I won't be hung by it and I think that's playing fair. I was a fan before I was a writer and I go way back so I appreciate the old fan and their concerns but sacrificing new readers to satisfy continuity is, I feel, a big mistake. So I choose a middle path as best I can."


Evan Henry, of Black Ship Books also asked Ostrander a similar question and John replied with:

"An editorial decision was made that the monthly would start up right after the Prestige series; it would be the first time that Katar and Shayera were on Earth, despite whatever continuity was there. I tried to explain that all away later; I think it worked, but it wasn’t perfect. I think you can overdo an origin. If you rewrite it too often, the origin just gets muddy and so does the character. Leave the origin alone and just tell good stories."

So there we have it. Apparently it was editor Mike Gold's decision. I've never heard Gold's side of the story and, if he's aware of our scrappy DC webzine and cares to comment, I'd love to hear it.

Hawkworld readers were very resolute in reminding the creative team about their dissatisfaction with the Silver Age Hawkman/Hawkwoman continuity reboot. Most letters went something along the lines of "I like what you did with the character (giving him layers and all), BUT did you have to throw the continuity away?". One reader even went so far as to point out all of the post-Crisis Hawkman appearances that had been affected. His list included INVASION!, several issues of Justice League International, Animal Man #6, Hawk & Dove v3 #1Power of the Atom #4, and a few other appearances in other books (including the newly rebooted Superman v2). Meanwhile, Mike Gold assured readers that Hawkworld Annual #1 (1990) would solve many continuity issues.

The continuity discrepancies were weighing heavily on the creative team - early issues in the run were being shipped late [ex: issue #6 shipped a month late] and editorial cited one of the reasons as 'spotting a major continuity problem' just before printing.







The Hawkworld Annual #1 gave us a lot of things: a Hawkman/Flash team-up, a second appearance of a villain who first debuted in the 1986 Super Powers mini-series, a time-traveling story featuring a few members of the Justice Society of America, the introduction of a new villain (Thrash - successor to the Fiddler), two BIG retcons, and... most importantly... an explanation as to why the Golden Age Hawkman (Carter Hall, an earth man) had the same emblem/logo/symbol/headgear as the Thanagarians (an extra-terrestrial race) who's existence he would not have been unaware of.

First up, retcon #1:


Okay, so Hawkman WAS part of the original Justice League of America - only it wasn't Katar Hol, it was Carter Hall (Golden Age Hawkman). That kinda works - the Pre-Crisis Katar Hol and the Golden Age Carter Hall basically had the same costume anyways. This covers all Silver Age Hawkman appearances up until Carter Hall gets sent to limbo with the rest of the JSA [excluding any pesky story with both the Silver Age and Golden Age Hawkman teaming up or battling each other].



Retcon #2:



This retcon reveals Golden Age Hawkman support character, Perry Carter, to actually be Paran Katar - Katar Hol's father. It's explained that a) Perry Carter/Paran Katar was actually a Thanagarian spy sent to spy on earth, who b) secretly assisted the Golden Age Hawkman (Carter Hall) in creating the Nth metal that allowed him to fly, and c) inspired Carter Hall to use the Hawkman emblem (and winged helmet) that would later become incorporated into the standard Thanagarian wingmen regalia. I'm not too well versed in my Golden Age Hawkman lore, so this (unsurprisingly) doesn't bother me. It provides a believable explanation to the Golden Age Hawkman's (unknowing) ties to the Thanagarians, without actually being a Thanagarian himself. I don't really know who Perry Carter was and retconning him into someone else doesn't offend me. I think he only appeared in a few issues, anyways. This only applies to *me* - for all I know, Golden Age Hawkman fans were throwing a fit over this retcon. Either way, well done Hawkworld creative team. ;)

Evidently, all the negative Hawkworld fan mail regarding Hawkman's new messed-up continuity concerned Mike Gold so much that he felt compelled to include a two-pager in the letter pages of Hawkworld Annual #1 addressing these issues. "CONTINUITY: A Slightly Tongue-in-Cheek Secret Origin Story" has Mike Gold explaining the history of comic book continuity and retcons, devices writers use to fix comic book continuity [for anyone interested, he cites 'continuity implants', 'ignoring selected stuff', 'blowing up and starting over', 'the sleight-of-hand', 'completely ignoring continuity' and 'picking-and-choosing'] and points out that Marvel comics has done this frequently in the past, too. He explains that the Hawkworld 'continuity fix' was a combination of continuity implants and sleight-of-hand techniques. He acknowledges that loyal readers of the Silver Age Hawkman might feel "honked off" [his words, not mine] about the changes, but re-asserts that sometimes 'neat stuff' gets lost when you retcon continuity on a legacy character like Hawkman. Gold then casually mentions how Byrne's Superman reboot is great stuff, but really messed up Legion of Super-Heroes continuity. This is the closest thing to an apology that we'll ever get from Mike Gold. It still doesn't explain why DC editorial chose to go this route instead of setting Katar Hol's story in the past, but Gold makes a very compelling case for the challenges involved in retconning Hawkworld and credits Ostrander as a master at resolving continuity conflicts. Gold closes off by stating that it was important that they addressed 1) who 'that guy' in the Silver Age Justice League of America with the wings was, 2) his relationship to the other guy with the wings in the Justice Society of America and 3) how the rest of the DC Universe would react to their newest hero with wings being a Thanagarian (this is in direct reference to the recent INVASION! event in which Thanagarians were one of the extraterrestrial races to invade earth).



So, for anyone keeping score, 1990's Hawkworld Annual #1 has revealed that:
  • The Golden Age Hawkman (JSA) and the Silver Age Hawkman (JLA), up until The Last Days of the Justice Society [1986], have always been the same 'guy with wings'. Let's just try to forget about the Earth-Two stuff, okay?
  • The reason why the Golden Age Hawkman and Thanagarian soldiers had the same helmet and hawk emblem is because a Thanagarian spy, Paran Katar, was secretly influencing Carter Hall on how to become the Golden Age Hawkman and took that knowledge back with him to found the military force on Thanagar.

Well, this answers everything... up to a point.

Who was that 'other guy with wings' who appeared in 1985's The Shadow War of Hawkman mini-series, the 1986 Hawkman ongoing series and all of those Justice League International issues (and other random guest appearances) up until Hawkworld #1? Glad you asked, all answers will be revealed in our next installment.


Addendum:

As I was google-searching for Hawkworld Annual #1 cover images to use for this article, I discovered that Luke from the Being Carter Hall blog wrote an interesting personal opinion/review on this very same Annual. Thankfully (for me), Luke's review doesn't contradict anything I wrote, and if nothing else, collaborates this article. Being Carter Hall is a great site and I highly recommend it - Luke definitely knows his Hawkman lore.

Tuesday, May 3, 2016

The Hawkworld ongoing series: a comprehensive review (1990 - 1992)

The Hawkworld ongoing series was published from 1990 to 1993 as a continuation of the prestige format 3-book Hawkworld mini-series released in 1989. It lasted 33 issues, 3 annuals and a War of the Gods tie-in.



Graham Nolan penciled the first 26 issues (not including the 3 Annuals and two issues by guest pencillers [Gary Kwapisz and Tom Mandrake]). The remaining 6 issues were penciled by Jan Duursema.

John Ostrander wrote all 32 issues, but shares writing credit with Timothy Truman for the first nine and last three issues. On an interesting note, Truman and Ostrander created Grimjack [First Comics] together, so they have some history there. Mike Gold edited the first 25 issues, Archie Goodwin took over at issue 26 and saw the series through 'til the end.

This ongoing series is often overlooked/forgotten about, as it came out during the early 90s when it seemed that DC was trying to move into more 'mature' territory (kind of like their edgier Vertigo brethren) but couldn't figure out how extreme they wanted to go - so they ended up 'toeing the line'. As a result, you've got somewhere between 'not quite a super-hero' story and 'not quite a Vertigo' story, and Hawkworld almost reads like an adult sci-fi series (with strong undertones of political drama). Just to give you some sort of context: other DC material being published during this era included Mike Grell's Green Arrow series, Ms Tree Quarterly, The Question QuarterlyThe Atlantis Chronicles, and Shade the Changing Man - titles that seemed to be aimed towards an older audience. Fun fact: the Hawkworld ongoing series did NOT carry the Comics Code Authority seal.

Additionally, 1990 is infamous for being the year that Marvel Comics really started 'stepping up' and producing it's (arguably) most popular material ever: Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man was launched that August, Cable had debuted in March's New Mutants #87, a 'new' Ghost Rider was kicking off a new ongoing that May. This was also the precursor to the Marvel 'X-Plosion' that would dominate the comic book market (and then some) until the mid-90s. So, if you're wondering why you don't remember this title, the short answer is that it had some serious competition. (Hint: it was probably buried on the comic rack behind an X-Men comic.)

Another factor working against this series was that from the very get-go there were continuity issues. This ongoing was continuously trying to 'correct' what the prestige format mini-series had started - and that would hound it for the rest of it's publication. The very first letters from readers were filled with gripes about DC's decision to reboot the history of the Silver Age Hawkman (effectively retconning about thirty years of Hawkman history). If the only people following the series are hardcore Hawkman fans, and even they are having trouble with this series, then you know you're in for a bumpy ride.  


Like the 1989 prestige mini-series of the same name, the Hawkworld ongoing continues the same continuity and story of the 'rebooted' Katar Hol Hawkman and Shayera Thal Hawkwoman. The focus, however, is their experiences on earth and their adventures of 'adapting' to earth life. The first nine-issue story arc has the Hawks travel to earth on the pretense of being on a diplomatic mission, but are actually going undercover to try to capture a renegade Thangarian. Keep in mind that this *new* reboot is the Hawk's first exposure to earth, so the Hawks trying to understand how our world's prosecution/political system works is a major story element here. The Silver Age Hawkman and Hawkgirl (Brave and the Bold #34) originally came to earth in pursuit of Byth, so that's not much of a drastic change except for the fact that they're arriving on earth for the first time in the early 90s instead of the early 60s.


Something major within this series are the Hawk's appearances. They are wearing their grey/yellow Thangarian stromtrooper/wingman outfits. No matter what story you read, past or present, if you see Hawkman in *that* particular outfit, you know it most likely happened during this era of DC comics. From a practical point of view, decking Hawkman out in Kevlar makes sense, as opposed to his previous midriff baring outfit. [Issue #3 has Katar Hol donning the 'throw-back' bandolier costume.] The metal helmet and metal wings are also a nice touch as it really emphasizes the militant culture that Thanagar is meant to represent. Also, synonymous with this era is Hawkman wielding a submachine gun - which is a much more conventional weapon. Pre-Hawkworld Hawkman were great and everything, but you've got to kinda feel sorry for a guy who can fly (and potentially attack from a distance and higher vantage point), but who's weapon of choice is a club. In issue #11, Ostrander introduces Hawkman to feudal Japanese weaponry. By issue #16 he starts using 'bundi daggers' (aka katars) - the close-combat weapons the Hawkman of the mid-90s will be most associated with. Ostrander was previously writing the [Mark Shaw] Manhunter v1 (1988-1990) ongoing series which incorporated a lot of ninjitsu-themed weaponry, so that may have been the inspiration for Hawkman's weapons of choice. [Bundi daggers originate from India] Besides, seeing Hawkman flying around carrying a katana sword is just plain cool.


Katar Hol and Shayera Thal as featured in the 1992 Impel DC Cosmic Cards set:




Calling this series 'Hawkworld' was an interesting choice. The prestige mini-series that preceded this series mainly took place on Thanagar, so calling that 'Hawkworld' made sense. Calling this ongoing series 'Hawkman' wouldn't be fair, since Hawkwoman (Shayera Thal) gets just as much of the spotlight as Hawkman does. Actually, Katar and Shayera aren't called 'Hawkman' and 'Hawkwoman' until the second issue - anointed so by their PR man. (Keeping in mind that in this rebooted continuity, the world is already familiar with Golden Age Hawkman and Hawkgirl.) The answer: 'Hawkworld' is a term referring to a predatory world where the strong prey on the weak. In the first issue, Shayera announces that Thanagar is a Hawkworld - alluding to the fact that those in power (political or otherwise) will prey on those with none. Early in the series, Katar realizes that earth is just as bad as (if not worse than) Thanagar - issue #13 has Katar stating "the power of money makes this a Hawkworld" - which leads us to...

A recurring motif in this series is bureaucracy and corruption. No matter what story line is occurring in this series, there's always someone making a deal with someone else in the background (usually political or business related) with the intention of screwing someone else over, somehow. This is the first post-Crisis appearance of major Silver Age Justice League of America and Adam Strange villain, Kanjar Ro, who is now a desk-jockey and political wheeler-and-dealer, of all things. The whole 'two aliens trying to understand the ways of earth' trope is really played up here. You might say that Katar's greatest enemy in this series is the "system". A pivotal scene in the series is Katar and Shayera trying to make sense of the Declaration of Indepence in issue #3. Another big moment is a legal counsel explaining the concept of 'innocent until proven guilty' to Katar. Ostrander sprinkles a few more of these dialogues throughout the series. Ostrander doesn't take sides, he just presents both sides of the argument. He's teaching you something, folks. This is intelligent writing. He also addresses other topics such as: women's roles in regards to positions of power, racial segregation, political/religious turmoil in Palestine, Christian fundamentalist interpretations of the American constitution,  and pretty much every other 'hot button' issue of the early 90s. The only thing Ostrander didn't cover was environmentalism (probably because Swamp Thing had that covered so well).





This ongoing series really fleshes out Thanagar (as Truman started to do in the Hawkworld prestige mini-series). We're learning a lot about it's social/cultural/political structure, the different species that reside there, and a bit of Thanagarian history. Just about every issue reminds you that the Hawks are representing Thanagar, and there's lots of subplots about how their actions on earth affect their home planet and vice-versa.

Mavis Trent, Joe Tracy and Commissioner Emmett are quickly re-introduced in this series. Mavis being reintroduced is somewhat surprising considering the events of the Shadow War of Hawkman. In this new series, Commissioner Emmett is now a black man (prior to the reboot he resembled Kentucky Fried Chicken's Colonel Sanders). Something else different about this reboot is that Hawkman and Hawkwoman don't start as an 'item', they start as 'two cops assigned to worked together' (who don't even like each other that much). The Hawkman/Hawkwoman 'not being a married couple' is kind of a departure from the classic Hawkman mythos. It's kind of a romantic idea to think that there's a husband and wife team flying around out there clubbing people with maces, but that's not the case in this series. It's not until near the middle of the series that the Hawk's start showing a flicker of attraction for each other, and then - well... I don't want to spoil anything for you.




Ostrander keeps the Hawk's story-universe pretty tight, with only the occasional glimpses of other DCU characters (ex: 'Chop-chop' from Blackhawk becomes a recurring character as of issue #11) [Mike Gold edited Blackhawk. 'Chop-chop' leaves the book shortly after Gold leaves as editor] A few other characters/locales that Ostrander had worked on also make brief appearances (i.e. Amanda Waller, Belle Reve prison, Sunderland corporation, etc). The exception to this would be Firehawk, from Firestorm, who has something drastic happen to her in issue #13. Despite the fact that Ostrander left Firestorm at issue #100 back in 1990, he still manages to squeeze in an important character-development story about a Firestorm supporting character. The new Wally West Flash meets Hawkman and Hawkwoman in the first Hawkworld annual and Wonder Woman appears in issue #16 (but I'm sure the latter was due to being an obligatory War of the Gods tie-in), but other than those two brief appearances, you will find no other mainstream DC characters (ex: Superman, Batman, Green Lantern) in this series... unless you want to count Lobo...

Well, not really Lobo. In issue #20, a bounty hunter (named Smif'Beau) who talks like Lobo, acts like Lobo, looks very similar to Lobo and even drives a flying hotrod (similar to Lobo's flying motorcycle) appears - but it's not Lobo. (This was in February 1992 and Lobo would've been making appearances in both L.E.G.I.O.N. '92 and Starman v1 at the time.)

Smif'Beau: a Lobo homage if I ever saw one



This series is a little short on super-villains. During the series, the Hawks are either battling Byth, Thanagarian politics, everyday social issues or bureaucratic red tape. Of all of Hawkman's main rogues, only the Shadow Thief appears (complete with a new post-Crisis origin). Issue #17 introduces a new villain to the series: Attilla, the Christian Fundamentalist robot. Even though Ostrander wove Attilla into a very interesting story line with a lot of future potential, he nevertheless became a minor footnote in Hawkman history and never reappeared outside of this series. The White Dragon, based on a character who debuted in Ostrander's Suicide Squad in 1987, battles the Hawks in a few issues. A new villain, named Count Viper, is introduced near the end of the series - most likely because they were trying to create new, more menacing villains for Hawkman. Count Viper actually serves as a major catalyst for Hawkman's transition from Hawkworld to Hawkman v3. You've never heard of Count Viper? That's okay. Besides being Hawkman's primary antagonist for the first half of Hawkman v3, he's never really heard from again.

Attila gives an insightful lecture before unleashing destruction



When looking back over this series, there's two very important aspects to note: the art (Graham Nolan) and the writing (John Ostrander).

Graham Nolan's first published work for DC was in 1985's DC Comics' Talent Showcase #15. His next work for DC was the Power of the Atom series (1998) that ran for twelve issues. Following that, he worked on the Hawkworld ongoing series, and he continued with Detective Comics once he left Hawkworld. As a result of this, Nolan is one-third responsible for the creation of Bane (he co-shares that credit with Chuck Dixon and Doug Moench).

John Ostrander doesn't need much of an introduction, as I'm sure you're aware that he's written Suicide Squad, the Legends mini-series, Manhunter and Firestorm (because I scream it to anyone within earshot every chance I get). Ostrander is well-known for writing intelligent, mature, and realistic plot lines - which is very apparent in this series. Ostrander writes really involved storylines, often with multiple subplots per issue, that the reader needs to pick up every single issue in order to know what's going on. This, in my opinion, kind of works against him because a new reader picking up issue #6 won't know what's going on unless they've collected and read the first five issues. So, reader beware: most of the issues in this series are NOT self-contained stand-alone stories. Readers have noted that, despite Ostrander working on several books at once, he was able to bring a distinct feel to every one.


As mentioned, Shayera/Hawkwoman get just as much of the spotlight as Katar Hol/Hawkman does. She was written by Ostrander as a strong female character. Fans wrote in to comment that Shayera may have been one of the best female characters since Firehawk. Other fans wrote in to complain that Shayera was taking so much of the attention that she made Katar seem like the supporting character. Guess you can't win 'em all.




I can't put my finger on it - maybe it's the art (the inking and the colors make it feel... unpolished?), the pacing of the stories, or simply the fact that there are no other super-heroes in the first dozen issues - but this series feels like an indie comic. This, however, works in it's favor. This is a different kind of DC comic, and while it may be centered around two mainstream DC heroes, it's different from the other mainstream books DC was publishing - and the art visually reminds you of that. At least, that's my take on it.

This is not a fun, light-hearted super-hero book. The stories are long and sweeping - with lots of drama (and a few humorous moments) - that last many many issues. It's really an adult, thinking-person's comic. Ostrander's material (for the most part) consists of more than predictable 'super-hero' tropes, so it's really hard to second-guess where he's going sometimes. In that aspect, he kept this series grounded to reality.

As far as real-world drama goes, Ostrander covers a large spectrum of themes. These include politics, philosophy, the nature and responsibility of government, freedom of speech, the cost of an individual's rights and freedoms, and the rights of criminals in the context of the law vs their moral rights. Hawkman realizes criminals have more rights than citizens and that the government basically controls everything. Seemingly, Ostrander may have a political agenda here, or maybe he was just trying to stir up some good conversation. Without a doubt, the Hawkworld letter column ran some pretty lively political debates and discussions.


This article is running way longer than I intended it to, so I've decided to split it into several parts. The next part will discuss the continuity issues that got so many fans into an uproar and how John Ostrander and Mike Gold planned on fixing them.